Wednesday, January 23, 2008
Changing Face of Worship - Introduction Response
Please view and respond to the video, "Changing Face of Worship - Introduction," located on the course webiste at: http://mmcdaniel.jimdo.com/course_media.php. You will be required to respond to at least one other student's comments to successfully complete this assignment. Please ensure that you put your name in parenthesis if you post anonymously.
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The accusations were honest and well deserved. The one theme that continually ran throughout it is the need for real, down to earth relationships, with real down to earth people.
“I’m convinced the reason our culture has a loss of truth is long before that there was a lost of trust.”
“People hunger for relationships they hunger for us to really care, not caring just for the sake of our religion or institution.”
It is all true. People don’t want to see it but it is even on our campus.
The things I disagreed with were only a couple as opposed to the first clip. I was not moved at all by the girls fake crying. It looked like she was working it up. I have seen people turn tears on and off just to get what they want. I wasn’t moved by it at all. What she said was true though, “without a doubt they are looking to be loved and accepted.” If you think about it that is the basis for peer pressure, ‘just to be loved and accepted.’ Peer pressure is not just a teen phenomena but adult as well.
One thing that is not true for me at least is “Art and beauty is preeminent. Its music images movement its all thing esthetic not what can be proven but what can be felt and experienced.” I like art, beauty, and music as much as the next guy I suppose but I like DR. Pepper too, so what. Give me what can be proven, like the line “the facts please just the facts.”
The one line there was great and hit the nail on the head, People hunger for relationships they hunger for us to ___________. (fill in the blank)
I think one problem is that people are caught up with their own lives and their own wants. We want people to do for us, and give me, and meet me needs first. Lets face it we are all selfish. We may not want to admit it out loud but we are. We fail to realize they are also waiting for us to do for them and meet their needs, just as we are waiting for them to meet our needs. Everyone is waiting for the other person and no one moves.
Mark A.
I don't whole total agree with the idea that the Church is not making an attempt to change, modernize. Initially, I thought that but when I reflect on how the Church operated and functioned some 25 years ago, it was different. Not saying that you would not recognize the order of the service, but it was totally different. Use to be simply a piano in the Church I attend, now to allow for more participant, mainly youth, we have all sorts of instruments to accommodate different people. The praise dancing is another added activity to the Church order that is fairly young and sweeping many churches. Its been a gradual change, not at the pace some like, but it is trying to reach out to the myriad of people and crowds. (Thayer)
mark, I agree with you that people are caught up in their own selfish desires and waiting to see what can be done and how it will effect them. However, the world IS waiting on US!!! We are the one's with THE light. We are told to carry it throughout the world...not just to those fulfilling our desires...maybe I understood this comment wrong; but YES they ARE witing on US! What an incentive to GIVE it to them :)(Bethany)
Wow, this video is what I have been shouting for the longest time. I don't believe truth ever changes, but the church must realize and see that what worked ten or twenty years ago isn't working today. The bible doesn't teach that we hark on the sinner and show no mercy, but to embrace and love the sinner, and in some way through some method tell them about the saving grace of Jesus. I believe that on our campus, we have this mentality that it's our way or no way, when instead the Word of God teaches different. Matthew 28:19, we all know it, Go ye therefore, teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. It doesn't say teach them tradition or your way of reaching people, it just says teach the Word of God. It's funny how we can mess that up. Then and today, methods changed. We must be aware of what people deal with and what could best reach people at where they're at in their lives. It's sad that too many Christians walk around hating a lost person instead of just loving them. Love endures forever. (John Hyman)
Thayer-
I enjoyed your comment on the video. I believe that you see and know what's needed to reach this lost generation for Jesus. You pointed out great details from the video which I agree strongly with. I love dancing, and love the fact that you are okay with that being in the church. Thayer, good work. (John Hyman)
I agree with the fact that people want to be loved and are desiring real relationships. It is true that many people have been hurt by the traditions of the church. Yes the church does have a new challenge facing it today. We must reach out to people because they are not as readily coming to the church. The message is unchanging and I agree the methods must change, but we must tread lightly and go forward carefully. It would be easy to find ourselves trying so hard to reach people where they are that we adjust the message to make them more comfortable. We cannot diminish the power of God to draw people to Him today as He has done throughout the ages. Yes people are looking to the arts and other things to find their spirituality, but they will not find the relationship with God there.
(Meisha Deane)
Thayer has a good point. the church has change considerably in its traditions. There is a great variety of music being introduced and I have found that it is being accepted and even enjoyed by the older generation. I enjoy the new worship ballet that has come on the scene in recent years. I agree that the arts can be used in our worship as long as it is God who is being glorified and not the performer. There is a fine line. (Meisha Deane)
Meisha makes a good point on "people wanted to be loved" and some have been hurt by Church traditions. And I both feel a need to reach the crowd outside the box, but it must be done as a process, not a over the night "fix you" solution. If we make a change to accommodate a new practice and "water down" the message we're doing them no justice. God will open the eyes of those he choose to open, not saying that they will be rejected in the church but some changes are going to take a long time.(thayer)
This video can be very misleading and could be interpreted negatively. There was one principle that I did agree with and that was that people and relationships are more important compared to people’s traditions and rituals. However, I think it’s more of a different perspective, some traditions are not wrong at all. They are numerous Biblical fundamentals that the church implements that some would consider “tradition”. I believe it’s vitally important that the church teaches and disciples the new born again believers on why we practice and implement certain sound doctrine principles within the church. For crying out loud, I think some of the churches need to go back to what the Bible teaches, back to the roots. What ever happen to church discipline? I’m just giving my two cents.
(Trey Hyman)
John I didn't understand your comment as a whole. You quoted Matthew 28:19, but I believe the word “teach” in that context is translated as disciple or to follow his precepts and instructions. That would put emphasis on the relationship and the principles that He gave us. One could argue that throughout time the true meaning of what Christ intended the Church to be was lost in translation or that Satan successfully strategized to deceive our interpretation and begin the slow process of destruction. I wonder what happen to the early church of Acts and the Church of Antioch, they’re not around anymore. Courteously giving criticism.
(Trey Hyman)
Good points, Thayer and Meisha. There have been some changes and more changes are coming. I think we all agree in that we need to love the sinner and hate the sin. I think we differ on just how to go about all that. Lets face it change is hard to face and accept, even harder when it is us that need to change. A good point was made that if we make a change to accommodate a new practice and change the message we are doing no one justice, them nor us, and I am sure no one wants to change the message.
Another hard thing is what changes are good to make, and when do we make them. As I picked up some place here people have been hurt because we have not made changes and need to. We want to be careful and not hurt others by making the wrong changes or making changes to fast, because change is scary. We need to show love to those who oppose our changes for whatever reason, so as not to cause more hurt. Sometimes change is not required and taking a stand is required not to mention wisdom when. My dear old mama always said two wrongs do not make a right. Don’t you hate it when you sound like your parents?
Someone recently pointed out something I need to change too. Yes, I know I probably won’t be nominated for sainthood now!
Mark A.
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